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: Would it make any sense to replace the "FPGA chip + CPU chip" on the current Minimig, with a single-chip "FPGA + CPU chip" device? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 21:28, 28 July 2007 (PDT) | : Would it make any sense to replace the "FPGA chip + CPU chip" on the current Minimig, with a single-chip "FPGA + CPU chip" device? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 21:28, 28 July 2007 (PDT) | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | The [http://www.bigmessowires.com/plus-too/ Plus Too project] is a working hardware replica of the Macintosh Plus and Macintosh 512Ke computers. The project’s goal is to recreate these classic computers using modern electronic components, producing a stand-alone machine able to run period Macintosh software from the mid-1980′s. | ||
+ | It replaces the original Motorola 68000 CPU with a soft-CPU module within a FPGA | ||
+ | (although a future version will probably use a real 68000 CPU). | ||
+ | It replaces the original floppy drives with a SD card interface. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | The FPGA HP98x6 project includes a | ||
+ | [https://sites.google.com/site/olivier2smet2/hp_projects/hp98x6/fpga-hp98x6 68000 soft core]. | ||
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[http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39358&forum=8&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=8#forumpost466058 jkonstan 070826 21:23]<br> | [http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39358&forum=8&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=8#forumpost466058 jkonstan 070826 21:23]<br> | ||
external CBT16245 level shifters | external CBT16245 level shifters | ||
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+ | [http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41728&forum=8#forumpost484540 TobiFlex 071126 13:49] | ||
+ | :TobiFlex releases his [http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41728&forum=8#forumpost484540 TG68] MC68000 project source code in [[VHDL]]. With a size of 3000 lines. | ||
+ | :"The Kernal is 2x-3x faster then the 68000 with the same clock and you can clock them with 28MHz. | ||
+ | I think it is possible to make the minimig 8x-12x faster then the original." | ||
+ | :Is there any attempt to make the instruction timings the same as the original 68k? | ||
+ | ::Most of the byte and word instructions are exact. Long and mulu/divu/rotation instructions are faster. | ||
+ | |||
+ | :The MC68EC000 is different from the 68000. I have my Core let run against a real MC68HC000 and can not :find software differences when the Kickstart or some programms are running. So I know all importand :Instructions works correct. About never used Instructions I can not say anything. | ||
+ | :Example: I have found no program for the AMIGA that use CHK or MOVEP Instructions. | ||
+ | |||
+ | :About the doc on the second link. My Core use no prefetch. My Core use classical Fetch/Execute last - :Decode - Fetch next/Execute - order. | ||
+ | :Thats why most Instrucions can execute in 2 clocks. The Bus wrapper expand this to 4 clocks. | ||
+ | :But for the minimig is the prefetch not so important. The core is fast enough to decode the opcode between as=high. So the timing is the same as the 68000 timing. | ||
+ | |||
+ | :On my DE2 Board with a real MC68EC000 and running ANARCHY1 DEMO I can see some rendering error but with the softcore I can not. | ||
+ | :I dont know what happens but I think my core has a high Betatested Level. (Upss I hope you can understood my - sorry for my poor english) | ||
+ | |||
+ | :OPCODE 0x0F0E MOVEP.W ..... My Validator stop here. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Boards: | ||
+ | :http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&No=83 | ||
+ | :http://www.altera.com/products/devkits/altera/kit-cyc2-2C20N.html | ||
+ | |||
+ | [http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41728&forum=8#forumpost484540 billt 071126 15:57] | ||
+ | :Simulators | ||
+ | :: http://www.symphonyeda.com/proddownloads.htm | ||
+ | :: http://ghdl.free.fr/ | ||
+ | :: http://freehdl.seul.org/ | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41728&forum=8#forumpost484540 alexh 071126 16:14] | ||
+ | :There are some subtle undocumented 68k behaviour that you might be interested in: | ||
+ | ::http://www.trzy.org/files/68knotes.txt | ||
+ | ::http://pasti.fxatari.com/68kdocs/ | ||
+ | :Testdisc known to be sensitive to 68000 incompatibility: http://amiga.nvg.org/warlock/adf/b/Birk+Sundell/100C64Tunes.adf.gz | ||
+ | |||
+ | [http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41728&post_id=484583&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=8#forumpost484583 Dennis 071126 19:48] | ||
+ | :Quick compile using webpack 6.3.03i: | ||
+ | :Device utilization summary: | ||
+ | :--------------------------- | ||
+ | : | ||
+ | :Selected Device : 3s400pq208-4 | ||
+ | : | ||
+ | :Number of Slices: 2627 out of 3584 73% | ||
+ | :Number of Slice Flip Flops: 1052 out of 7168 14% | ||
+ | :Number of 4 input LUTs: 4841 out of 7168 67% | ||
+ | :Number of bonded IOBs: 74 out of 141 52% | ||
+ | :Number of GCLKs: 1 out of 8 12% | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | :========================================================================= | ||
+ | :TIMING REPORT | ||
+ | |||
+ | :NOTE: THESE TIMING NUMBERS ARE ONLY A SYNTHESIS ESTIMATE. FOR ACCURATE TIMING INFORMATION PLEASE REFER TO THE TRACE REPORT GENERATED AFTER PLACE-and-ROUTE. | ||
+ | |||
+ | :Timing Summary: | ||
+ | :--------------- | ||
+ | :Speed Grade: -4 | ||
+ | |||
+ | :Minimum period: 39.906ns (Maximum Frequency: 25.059MHz) | ||
+ | :Minimum input arrival time before clock: 16.900ns | ||
+ | :Maximum output required time after clock: 16.576ns | ||
+ | :Maximum combinational path delay: No path found | ||
+ | |||
+ | :I need a bigger FPGA :-) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41728&forum=8&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=20 karsten 071126 20:02] | ||
+ | :Days of Thunder uses the CHK instruction: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=1144 |
Latest revision as of 23:56, 5 February 2012
Is there a "soft core" m68k for FPGAs?
Haveing the cpu in vhdl/verilog would allow to eliminate the need for a special Minimig board. And being able to use plain developer boards from Xilinx or other manufactors.
Have you seen the discussion at Open Cores?
The most finished 68000 in VHDL I know of is from the Atari ST in VHDL: Suska project : 68000 IP v2K7A
- Would it make any sense to replace the "FPGA chip + CPU chip" on the current Minimig, with a single-chip "FPGA + CPU chip" device? --DavidCary 21:28, 28 July 2007 (PDT)
The Plus Too project is a working hardware replica of the Macintosh Plus and Macintosh 512Ke computers. The project’s goal is to recreate these classic computers using modern electronic components, producing a stand-alone machine able to run period Macintosh software from the mid-1980′s. It replaces the original Motorola 68000 CPU with a soft-CPU module within a FPGA (although a future version will probably use a real 68000 CPU). It replaces the original floppy drives with a SD card interface.
The FPGA HP98x6 project includes a 68000 soft core.
TobiFlex 070826 13:39
This CPU Core is not finish. The Debuging must go on. Currently hangs up this CPU Core with Kickstartrom 2.04 at #$F81914.
TobiFlex 070826 14:06
I have adapted the minimig Core to the DE2 Board from Terasic with a ALTERA Cyclone 2C35. With an external CPU MC68HC000 runs the Minimig perfekt. I have change the RAM Timing from SRAM to SDRAM - so i can use the on Board SDRAM Chip.
And now i use the Board to Debug Wolfgangs 68K Core.
mongo 070826 20:25
Wolfgang's 68K core will run up to about 17 MHz in a Spartan 3.
jkonstan 070826 21:23
external CBT16245 level shifters
- TobiFlex releases his TG68 MC68000 project source code in VHDL. With a size of 3000 lines.
- "The Kernal is 2x-3x faster then the 68000 with the same clock and you can clock them with 28MHz.
I think it is possible to make the minimig 8x-12x faster then the original."
- Is there any attempt to make the instruction timings the same as the original 68k?
- Most of the byte and word instructions are exact. Long and mulu/divu/rotation instructions are faster.
- The MC68EC000 is different from the 68000. I have my Core let run against a real MC68HC000 and can not :find software differences when the Kickstart or some programms are running. So I know all importand :Instructions works correct. About never used Instructions I can not say anything.
- Example: I have found no program for the AMIGA that use CHK or MOVEP Instructions.
- About the doc on the second link. My Core use no prefetch. My Core use classical Fetch/Execute last - :Decode - Fetch next/Execute - order.
- Thats why most Instrucions can execute in 2 clocks. The Bus wrapper expand this to 4 clocks.
- But for the minimig is the prefetch not so important. The core is fast enough to decode the opcode between as=high. So the timing is the same as the 68000 timing.
- On my DE2 Board with a real MC68EC000 and running ANARCHY1 DEMO I can see some rendering error but with the softcore I can not.
- I dont know what happens but I think my core has a high Betatested Level. (Upss I hope you can understood my - sorry for my poor english)
- OPCODE 0x0F0E MOVEP.W ..... My Validator stop here.
Boards:
- http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&No=83
- http://www.altera.com/products/devkits/altera/kit-cyc2-2C20N.html
- Simulators
- There are some subtle undocumented 68k behaviour that you might be interested in:
- Testdisc known to be sensitive to 68000 incompatibility: http://amiga.nvg.org/warlock/adf/b/Birk+Sundell/100C64Tunes.adf.gz
- Quick compile using webpack 6.3.03i:
- Device utilization summary:
- ---------------------------
- Selected Device : 3s400pq208-4
- Number of Slices: 2627 out of 3584 73%
- Number of Slice Flip Flops: 1052 out of 7168 14%
- Number of 4 input LUTs: 4841 out of 7168 67%
- Number of bonded IOBs: 74 out of 141 52%
- Number of GCLKs: 1 out of 8 12%
- =========================================================================
- TIMING REPORT
- NOTE: THESE TIMING NUMBERS ARE ONLY A SYNTHESIS ESTIMATE. FOR ACCURATE TIMING INFORMATION PLEASE REFER TO THE TRACE REPORT GENERATED AFTER PLACE-and-ROUTE.
- Timing Summary:
- ---------------
- Speed Grade: -4
- Minimum period: 39.906ns (Maximum Frequency: 25.059MHz)
- Minimum input arrival time before clock: 16.900ns
- Maximum output required time after clock: 16.576ns
- Maximum combinational path delay: No path found
- I need a bigger FPGA :-)
- Days of Thunder uses the CHK instruction: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=1144